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Listen: Is Anyone Else Not Showering?

There’s good cleaning and bad cleaning. Jim attempts to explain.
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James Hamblin spent years writing a book on hygiene beliefs and the new science of the skin microbiome. In it, he suggests that some people overuse cleansers and soaps, and may benefit from doing less.

But now there’s a pandemic, and he also really wants to remind people to wash their hands. Jim tries to explain the nuances of good cleaning and bad cleaning—and why he does not shower in the traditional sense.

On this episode of the Social Distance podcast, Katherine Wells asks Jim about that new book, Clean, and how to approach nuanced health discussions during a pandemic.

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