Mike speaks with Donna Sheperis on the complications of using multiple acronyms to to describe our credentialing, honoring our professional developmental processes while not getting wrapped up in the titles, and letting those we work with guide how we speak about who we are and what we do as counselors. For more on Donna, links from the conversation and the APA citation for this episode visit http://b.link/EP137. Support us at www.patreon.com/thethoughtfulcounselor.