The second part of our discussion with Joe Kissell, the author of Take Control of Apple Mail,5th edition focuses on how Joe extends the capabilities of the program by using third party utilities, some of the necessary but annoying security interruptions imposed on Mail, and why email (and other technical aspects of macOS, iOS, and iPadOS) still represents challenges to less technical users. This edition of MacVoices is supported by MacPaw, the makers of CleanMyMac X. Your Mac. Good as new. Find out more and get your copy at MacPaw.com/podcast, and use the code "MACVOICES" to take 5% off the purchase price. Show Notes: Guests: Joe Kissell is the publisher of  Take Control ebooks, as well as the author of over 60 books on a wide variety of tech topics. Keep up with him if you can on his personal site, JoeKissell.com, and on Twitter. Links: MailSuite by SmallCubed GPG Suite by GPGTools MailButler Support:      Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon     http://patreon.com/macvoices      Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect:      Web:     http://macvoices.com      Twitter:     http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner     http://www.twitter.com/macvoices      Facebook:     http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner      MacVoices Page on Facebook:     http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/      MacVoices Group on Facebook:     http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice      LinkedIn:     https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/      Instagram:     https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe:      Audio in iTunes     Video in iTunes      Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher:      Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss      Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss