On this week’s episode of The Waves, Slate Money Succession podcast host Emily Peck and Slate staff writer Lili Loofbourow talk about the men versus the women of HBO’s Succession. They start out by talking about the power struggles and anxieties facing the female characters, and debate whether Shiv Roy just sucks. Then they talk about men in this bro-y show, including all that toxic masculinity and the relationship between Greg and Tom. 

In Slate Plus, this week’s “Is This Feminist” discussion is all about Seinfeld’s Elaine Benes. 

Recommendations:
Lili: Using vintage gold nibbed fountain pens
Emily: The podcast “The Just Enough Family”  

Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Susan Matthews and June Thomas. 
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