This week Jonny and Richard manage to talk about cars for once, including the Ineos Grenadier, the Gemballa Marsien and the new Vauxhall Astra. There's also chat about which paint colours don't cost extra, cars you'd only want to buy new, the world's most laid back traction control, unintelligent damper control, songwriters not being specific enough about the cars they reference, and the new game of trying to list a manufacturer's entire range without cheating. Plus, an amazing fact about laundry detergent. Get bonus content on Patreon See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.