In a moment where politics and division feel relentless, and optimism feels scarce, here’s an encouraging conversation with Harvey Gantt - an iconic architect, a civic leader, and a pioneer for racial justice. Growing up in the segregated South, Harvey’s life experiences and his perspective on the progress we have - and haven’t - made are both a severe reality check, and a beacon of hope. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.