The deaths of two children, Arthur Labinjo-Hughes and Star Hobson, shocked the nation and led to searching questions about the way child protection services operate in England. On the Sky News Daily podcast with Dermot Murnaghan, we are joined by Georgia Macqueen Black from the NSPCC and social work expert Professor Ray Jones to ask; how can we make sure this never happens again? Warning: This episode includes references to child abuse. Daily podcast team: Senior podcast producer - Annie Joyce Podcast producer – Rosie Gillott Podcast producer – Soila Apparicio Junior podcast producer – Aishah Rahman Interviews producer – Alys Bowen Archive - Simon Windsor Archive – Nelly Stefanova Archive – Rob Fellowes