In the first half of the episode, Julia and JJ talk about why 'the psychology of chess' can't just mean 'getting the feelings out of the way,' and explore more fruitful ways to reframe discussions about emotions and feelings in chess. Then, we learn how JJ and Julia first met, how they each got into chess, and why Julia does not have imposter syndrome. Finally, our hosts introduce future themes such as addiction, impulse control, and the concept of the 'adult disprover' who loves chess but not necessarily chess improvement.