In the third and final takeover for the podcast our guest host is Stephen Moss an acclaimed author, naturalist  and university lecturer. He's chatting to this week's guest Lucy McRobert who is also a communications specialist in wildlife and currently works for the isles of scilly wildlife trust as well as also being a writer. 
They natter about getting into birding as a young adult, how it helped with a family loss, if turning your hobby into a job is the best choice and challenging the norms in the wider nature community. 
 
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