LM Sacasas is a theorist of technology and expert on Ivan Illich. He writes a popular Substack called the The Convivial Society, and recently published a book entitled The Frailest Thing. We're joined by friend of the show Nina Power to discuss Ivan Illich's prescient theories of technology, institutions, and the senses.Learn more about LM Sacasas✦ Subscribe to LM's newsletter, The Convivial Society.✦ Read LM's book of collected essays, The Frailest Thing.Learn more about Ivan Illich✦ Download our free Ivan Illich reading list at https://IllichCourse.com✦ Apply to Nina Power's 8-week course on Ivan Illich at https://IllichCourse.comAre you working on a long-term creative project outside of institutions?✦ Request an invitation to https://IndieThinkers.org