This week, Leonora welcomes Jennifer Lafleur, an extraordinary actress, director, and producer, and Leonora’s chosen family. They discuss indie film, the necessary hustle of being an actor, caretaking BEFORE motherhood, the difference between jealousy and *holy* jealousy, and what it was like for Jen to have a pandemic baby. You can catch Jen in this summer’s smash hit, NOPE, and you can watch Leonora and Jen together in the indie film Back at the Staircase on Amazon Prime. Also, Leonora talks about her favorite way to simultaneously soothe AND activate her anxiety: a little game called Mortality Math.