Dr. Daniel George is Professor of Medicine and Surgery, Director of GU Oncology for the Duke Cancer Institute, and Co-Chair of the DCI Center for Prostate and Urologic Cancers. Dr George’s primary areas of interest are in drug development and optimizing care for patients with GU cancers, particularly prostate and kidney cancers. In this week's episode, Dr. George presents two contrasting cases with nephrectomy as a possible treatment path. Can you determine the best course of treatment for each patient? If you enjoyed this podcast, make sure to subscribe for more weekly education content from ASCO University. We truly value your feedback and suggestions, so please take a minute to leave a review. If you are an oncology professional and interested in contributing to the ASCO University Weekly Podcast, email ascou@asco.org for more information. TRANSCRIPT Welcome to the ASCO University Weekly Podcast. My name is Dr. Daniel George. And I'm a professor of medicine and surgery at Duke University. I'm also the director of GU oncology at the Duke Cancer Institute and co-chair of the DCI Center for Prostate and Neurologic Cancers. Today we'll discuss two similar cases of patients presenting with metastatic renal cell carcinoma in our multidisciplinary management options. Without any standard screening procedures, 20% to 30% of kidney cancer patients today present with metastatic disease. Historically, debulking nephrectomy has been our standard of care. And this has been based on old trials from the interferon era of treatments. Since then, many drugs have been approved for the management of patients with metastatic renal cell carcinoma, many of which have improved the progression free survival and overall survival of patients with metastatic disease, which may have had an impact on the landscape and role for debulking nephrectomy. Furthermore, metastatic kidney cancer patients can be risk stratified. There's a number of criteria used. But historically the most commonly used criteria has been the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center criteria. Which included five factors, including KPS score less than 70, a calcium score greater than 10, A serum hemoglobin of less than the lower limit of normal, and LDH greater than 1.5 times the upper limit of normal, or having their primary tumor in place, meaning no prior nephrectomy. If patients had zero of these factors they were considered good risk with the best survival. Patients with one or two of these factors are considered intermediate risk. And patients with three or more of these factors historically have been very poor risk, with median survivals of six months or less. The Carmena Study was a prospective, multi-center, randomized, non inferiority trial comparing upfront nephrectomy followed by sunitinib therapy, compared to upfront sunitinib therapy alone in patients with metastatic renal cell carcinoma amenable to cytoreductive nephrectomy. We'll get to these results in a moment. But the study population included, importantly, patients with e cog performance status zero or one. And 40% plus of these patients were considered poor risk, with the average sum of metastatic tumor burden being greater than five centimeters. So now, let's get to some modern cases. The first case we'll discuss is George. He's an 83-year-old man who presented with gross hematuria and a hemoglobin of 13.8 in the normal range. A CT scan revealed an eight centimeter right renal mass and multiple pulmonary mets, up to two centimeters in size. His e cog performance status is zero. And his calcium was 8.4, and LDH was normal as well. Our second case, for comparison, is Philip, a 76-year-old man who was found to have a 16 centimeter left renal mass incidentally on a spine MRI. This was confirmed by CT scan, along with some pulmonary nodules measuring up to 1.8 centimeters, as well as enlarged mediastinal lymph nodes up to two centimeters, and an eight millimeter liver lesion. His calcium score was 10.4. And h