Michael speaks with Tilman Santarius about making our world greener through digitalization. They focus on his latest book Smart Green World? Making Digitalization Work for Sustainability. Tilman explains the problem of add-on consumption of digitalization, rebound effects, radical digitalization and digital sufficiency. Michael and Tilman discuss the importance of getting sustainable apps out of the niche and into the mainstream. They cover decentralization, digital governance, and raising awareness of sustainable digitalization. Lastly, Tilman touches on digitalization and the good life, and what you can do to have an impact.In Over My Head WebsiteSmart Green World (German)Smart Green World (English)Digital Reset Report