Carrie, the first person to ever have COVID, tells Ross about her intractable symptoms, and get-well-fast scheme: a little-known medicine called Ivermectin (not the horse version). While some people (read: scientists) might consider it a parasite treatment with unproven efficacy for COVID, Carrie can’t resist something that might make her poop her pants. Will she?! Plus, they discuss public health policy, tolerating grey areas, and how we approach science at the edges. We have social media: Twitter! Facebook!