While The Futures Archive is between seasons, we wanted to share with you another show, Scratching the Surface.Scratching the Surface is podcast about design, theory, and creative practice. Hosted by Jarrett Fuller, each episode features wide-ranging, in-depth conversations with designers, architects, writers, academics, artists, and theorists about how design shapes culture. New episodes every other Wednesday. You can subscribe at https://scratchingthesurface.fm/index or wherever you get your podcasts, and you can support the show on Patreon and get bonus content each month at https://www.patreon.com/surfacepodcast.On this episode is Daniel Barber, Associate Professor of Architecture and Chair of the Graduate Group in Architecture at the University of Pennsylvania Stuart Weitzman School of Design and prolific climate and architect author. You can hear Daniel on The Futures Archive S02E05, all about the air conditioner.The Futures Archive will be back with season three! In the meantime check out our back catalogue here, subscribe on Apple Podcasts or however you listen, and make sure to follow us on Twitter and Instagram.