On this episode: Sarah and Jann talk about seeing each other IRL (in real life, as the kids say) for their first in-person meeting in Toronto. Sarah prompts Jann to revisits the first time she heard herself on the radio with a discussion about a disruptive music start-up company that was on Dragon’s Den this week (Side Door co-founded by Juno award-winning artist Dan Mangan). And, they reflect on the presence of mental health in songs, inspired by Selena Gomez’s new single and documentary.