Matt Chorley talks to not one, but two former Prime Ministers. Helle Thorning-Schmidt was Prime Minister of Denmark at the same time Julia Gillard was in charge of Australia. They talk to Matt about how it feels to wake up and realise you're in charge of a country, what it's like when a crisis lands on your desk, and who the most fun member of the leaders' club is. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.