The Kinswomen bring on their first-ever kinsman as a guest, and he's a great one. Marvin Toliver is a social worker, changemaker, and co-founder of Melanated Social Work. We discuss why Black folks shouldn't pay for therapy, the impact of oppressive systems on both therapists and clients, and the dynamics of being a man on a female-run podcast -- plus so much more.   Kinswomen is bringing back our community conversations! Register for free for our next one on Wed. May 18th, where we discuss the recent A&F Netflix documentary White Hot, and the 2000's-era racism we either ignored or were forced to put up with. Sign up here.