0:00 Intro
7:16 Working with iconic founders, Steve Jobs
15:00 What would Steve Jobs have thought of crypto and NFT
16:15 The craft of iPod
20:00 The Evolution of Apple
27:00 Ian Rogers' career arc
31:20 Do hard things
36:50 Ian making tech cool
44:15 Sustainability and Optimism to Solve the climate crisis
48:05 The Legacy of Ian and Tony

In this episode, Ian Rogers and Tony Fadell discuss their experiences working with Steve Jobs and the evolution of Apple, as well as their insights on the future of technology, sustainability, and climate change. From the craft of the iPod to the impact of crypto and NFTs, this conversation offers valuable perspectives on the intersection of design, innovation, and social responsibility. Tune in to learn from two industry veterans with a wealth of knowledge and passion for their craft.

Tony Fadell is an engineer, designer, entrepreneur, and investor. He was senior vice president of the iPod division at Apple Inc. and founder and former CEO of Nest Labs. Fadell joined Apple Inc. in 2001 and oversaw all iPod hardware, software, and accessories development. He is known as the "father of the iPod". As the co-creator of the iPhone, he also worked on the first three generations of the iPhone and oversaw all iPhone hardware, firmware, and accessories development from March 2006 to November 2008.

Ian Rogers is the Chief Experience Officer at Ledger, a cryptocurrency startup. Prior to this, Ian was the Chief Digital Officer at LVMH for five transformative years, working with a portfolio of nearly one hundred brands across luxury including Louis Vuitton, Dior, Sephora, and Hennessy. Ian also sits on the boards of Dr Marten’s and Lyst.
Ian spent twenty years bringing digital music to the mainstream, first with Winamp then Yahoo!, Beats, and Apple. Ian contributed to the 2015 launch of Apple Music including Beats 1, their digital streaming channel.