Kathleen Lowrey is an Associate Professor in the Anthropology Department at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada. She was asked to resign from her position of Associate Chair of the department because of anonymous complaints from students that she made them feel ‘unsafe’. She refused, and then was dismissed without reason. David and Kathleen talk about gender critical feminism as opposed to transgender rights activist, about safe spaces, about learning environments, academic freedom an more. Even JK Rowling and the hypocrisy of her publishing company Hachette, comes up. They strongly protected JK Rowling, but recently cancelled a Woody Allen biography faced with almost identical complaints from staff and authors. A wide ranging, casual conversation.