This series is sponsored by 10ofthose. Resources that point people to Jesus change lives.The title music is 'When There Are No Words' by Michael J Tinker. The closing song is 'Goodnight to the Old Year' from the same album.Artwork by Jamin Still.We don't need to worry that going into the darkness means going into an abyss that will never end. We can keep on digging. We don't need to fear that place of darkness and grief because that is not the end.For the second of my chats with British artists I talk with cartoonist and painter Sophie Killingley. We discuss the grief and loss of church trauma and the importance of naming it so. We look at how art helps express that loss, and how it helped Sophie in her own walk with that kind of grief.The artwork we talk about can all be found on a dedicated page on Sophie's website.To WIN a copy of 'Broken Works Best' by Catherine Campbell (courtesy of 10ofthose) AND an ebook of 'Losing Sammy' simply share this show on social media and tag @michaeljtinker before 2nd August.Get 30% off Sophie's book 'Draw Near' EXCLUSIVELY as a podcast listener on the 10ofthose website using the code nowordsSK23.Other discounts you can get as listeners to the podcast:'Dark Clouds, Deep Mercy' :: nowordsSG23'Adorning the Dark' :: nowordsAP23'Why Art Matters' :: nowordsAG23About Your HostMichael J Tinker is a singer-songwriter based in Somerset, England. He normally is found making music for children but has recently released an album exploring grief and hope, which led him to want to talk to other artists who are doing the same.Check out the album at michaeljtinker.comAlso, why not have a listen to our sister-podcast for all the family - 'Tinker-Time!' Help us make more episodes! Support us monthly at https://plus.acast.com/s/nowords.

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