Harm reduction in client/therapist engagements can be organized into four simple, but hard-to-implement tenets: minimize judgement, avoid offering advice or opinions, respect autonomy, and understand the complicated nature of behavior. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren speak with Cal Cates about the lack of self-regulation training, examples of judgment with a client, and how offering opinions can have a “silencing effect” on clients. Cal is an educator, writer, and speaker on topics ranging from massage therapy in a hospital setting to end-of-life care and massage therapy policy and regulation. Cal is the executive director and founder of Healwell, a nonprofit organization that works with children in hospitals and clinical facilities. Cal trains massage therapists about sustainable care giving and partners with hospitals to conduct research about the effects of massage on people living with illness. For more information, visit healwell.org. Cal is the host of the podcast Interdisciplinary, found everywhere podcasts are available. Cal is also a columnist for Massage & Bodywork magazine.   Resources:   “Harm Reduction,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2023, page 62, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1488451-january-february-2023/64   Hosts:   Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He is editor of Massage & Bodywork magazine and has worked for ABMP for 22 years, and been involved in journalism at the association, trade, and consumer levels for 24 years. He has served as board member and president of the Western Publishing Association, as well as board member for Association Media & Publishing. Contact him at editor@abmp.com. Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support massage therapists and bodyworkers as they enhance their lives and practices. Contact her at ce@abmp.com.   Sponsors:   Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com    Healwell: www.healwell.org   Precision Neuromuscular Therapy: www.pnmt.org   AnatomySCAPES: www.anatomyscapes.com   Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function.                      Website: anatomytrains.com                        Email: info@anatomytrains.com             Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains                       Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial   YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA       Healwell is creating community and a new kind of massage therapy practitioner all around the world. Check out our courses, join our online community, find us all over the social media universe, and bring your gorgeous self to the conversation!  www.healwell.org Instagram: @healwell_org Twitter: @healwell_org LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/healwell/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Healwell.org Check out our podcast, Interdisciplinary, anywhere you get your podcasts!   Therapists who are drawn to Precision Neuromuscular Therapy are problem-solvers who want to learn new approaches, but also understand