Are referendums the sign of a healthy democracy, or as Thatcher said a "device of dictators and demagogues"? Matt finds out about their increasing use around the world to decide everything from pension reform to using nuclear power.Plus: Columnists Daniel Finkelstein and Miranda Green discuss how political narratives are built from uncertain data, and whether it's a problem that Keir Starmer is less popular than the Labour Party. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.