Study Guide Bava Kamma 74 Rava and Abaye disagree on the understanding of a braita, which causes them to disagree about whether witnesses contradicted in court can later be convicted of being eidim zomemim. Rabbi Elazar and Rabbi Yochanan also debated the same issue. The next Mishna brings cases where the thief will not be charged payments of four/five times. From the beginning of the Mishna one can infer that if one confesses (which would exempt them from the four/five payment as it is a penalty) and then witnesses come later, they would be liable to pay the four/five payment. This goes against Rav Huna who states in the name of Rav that once one admits to it in court, they will be exempt, even if witnesses come to court later.