A podcast about learning to lead for creativity. I'm talking to some inspiring creative leaders with great stories to share about their 'made not born' leadership journey.Today's guest is Jay Osgerby, designer and co-Founder with his partner Ed Barber of acclaimed industrial design studio Barber Osgerby. Thoughtful and modest in style yet fiercely committed to pushing the boundaries of design creativity, Jay leads innovative design collaborations from endlessly recyclable chairs to stunning gallery installations. We talk about how important team dynamics are, always looking forwards not backwards, and why 'think big' is a mantra to lead by.I hope our conversation will give you a little fuel for your own made not born journey.