In episode 28 of The Gradient Podcast, Daniel Bashir speaks to Ben Green, postdoctoral scholar in the Michigan Society of Fellows and Assistant Professor at the Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy. Ben’s work focuses on the social and political impacts of government algorithms.Subscribe to The Gradient Podcast:  Apple Podcasts  | Spotify | Pocket Casts | RSSFollow The Gradient on TwitterSections:(00:00) Intro(02:00) Getting Started(06:15) Soul Searching(11:55) Decentering Algorithms(19:50) The Future of the City(27:25) Ethical Lip Service(32:30) Ethics Research and Industry Incentives(36:30) Broadening our Vision of Tech Ethics(47:35) What Types of Research are Valued?(52:40) OutroEpisode Links:* Ben’s Homepage* Algorithmic Realism* Special Issue of the Journal of Social Computing Get full access to The Gradient at thegradientpub.substack.com/subscribe