This is my conversation with Sreeram Kannan, founder at EigenLayer.Timestamps:- 00:00:00 intro- 00:01:21 sponsor: Optimism- 00:02:42 the AVS economy- 00:05:24 blockchains separate trust and innovation- 00:16:53 sponsor: Optimism- 00:18:02 specialized services and SaaS on EigenLayer- 00:24:50 rollups are open verifiable web servers- 00:41:35 rollup economics and business models- 01:55:14 the transition from academic to builder/operator- 01:06:38 impact per unit action- 01:10:26 outroLinks:Sreeram Kannan: https://twitter.com/sreeramkannanEigenLayer: https://twitter.com/eigenlayerThank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:Optimism - https://optimism.ioPrivy - https://privy.ioInto the Bytecode:Twitter -  https://twitter.com/sinahabFarcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahabOther episodes - https://intothebytecode.comDisclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.