Summary In this conversation, Mary Frazier joins the podcast to discuss the events leading up to her release from captivity in Haiti. They discuss the challenges of negotiating with the gang, the emotional roller coaster of day 28, and the efforts to secure her release through non-monetary means. They also touch on the involvement of politicians and the media in their efforts. The conversation ends with the discussion of the pivotal moment on day 38 when the gang is willing to negotiate a smaller ransom amount. In this conversation, Jeff and Mary discuss the challenges they faced during the negotiation process for Jeff's release. They talk about the difficulties in finding a location for the exchange and the frustration that came with it. They also mention the involvement of various individuals who supported their cause. Finally, they discuss the moment when Jeff was finally released and the emotions they experienced during that time. Takeaways Negotiating with the gang was challenging and required building trust over time. Day 28 was a particularly emotional day as they hoped for Mary's release but were ultimately disappointed. Efforts were made to secure Mary's release through non-monetary means, including leveraging political connections and media attention. The involvement of politicians and the media had a significant impact on the negotiations. The pivotal moment on day 38 when the gang was willing to negotiate a smaller ransom amount. Having someone to talk to and go through the difficult times with can be incredibly helpful. Finding a location for a live exchange can be a challenging and time-consuming process. The involvement of supportive individuals can make a significant difference in a negotiation. The moment of release can be both relieving and overwhelming, with a mix of emotions. Keywords  Sound Bites "These gangs are knuckleheads. They don't know anything about the real world." "I remember every phone call I got from a Haitian number, like I wasn't even allowed to answer." "Every person that got out, I was grateful because I was like, okay, every person that gets out, it's gonna make it easier for him to actually leave." "Stephanie, I love you if you're watching." "Just some of the amazing people that were getting involved at these higher levels that really cared and really interested in getting you home." "Let's fast they come up with a deal on a ransom amount and that it's going to be a live exchange." Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Setting the Stage 02:03 Establishing Trust and Making Agreements  06:02 The Emotional Roller Coaster of Hope and Disappointment 10:37 Applying Pressure on the Gang through Various Channels 19:44 Holding Firm in Negotiations and Not Giving In 25:43 The Challenges of Negotiation and Location Agreement 29:10 A Breakthrough and a Live Exchange 32:14 The Panic of a Shortage and the Successful Exchange 36:24 Reintegration and the Importance of Patience 43:31 The Role of Support and Communication in the Negotiation Process 46:31 Artificial Intelligence and Automation 46:32 Privacy Concerns in the Digital Age