Jeff Frazier interviews Austin Holmes, who played a crucial role in negotiating and securing Jeff's release from kidnapping in Haiti. Austin is described as having the skill set and integrity needed for the job. The conversation covers their initial interactions, the challenges they faced, and the negotiations with the kidnappers. They discuss the importance of trust, the difficulties of communication, and the impact of external factors like the Bois-Caïman gang. Austin also praises Mary, Jeff's wife, for her authenticity, discernment, and ability to see the bigger picture. The conversation highlights the transformation and growth of Mary during the kidnapping ordeal. She initially deferred to the experts but eventually took on the responsibility of making decisions on her own behalf. The negotiation process involved resetting trust and rules multiple times. The team had to navigate the complexity of dealing with different negotiators and decision-makers within the gang. The final accord was reached by consistently holding the gang accountable and refusing to adjust the terms. The live exchange was a tense moment, with concerns about potential points of failure and the need for validation. The conversation also emphasizes the ongoing challenges and issues in Haiti that need to be addressed. Takeaways  Austin Holmes played a crucial role in negotiating and securing Jeff Frazier's release from kidnapping in Haiti. Trust was a key factor in the negotiations, and Austin had to work to establish trust with Jeff and his family. Communication was challenging due to the difficult circumstances and the need for secrecy. External factors, such as the presence of the Bois-Caïman gang, added complexity to the situation. Mary, Jeff's wife, was praised for her authenticity, discernment, and ability to see the bigger picture. Mary underwent a transformation during the kidnapping ordeal, taking on the responsibility of making decisions on her own behalf. The negotiation process involved resetting trust and rules multiple times. Dealing with different negotiators and decision-makers within the gang added complexity to the negotiation process. The final accord was reached by consistently holding the gang accountable and refusing to adjust the terms. The live exchange was a tense moment, with concerns about potential points of failure and the need for validation. The conversation highlights the ongoing challenges and issues in Haiti that need to be addressed. Sound Bites "Austin is one of my freedom fighters on my lifelong freedom fighters team." "We had a problem. His name was Jeff Frazier." "We had to sideline Jeff. So everything became about regaining control and getting the microphone back." "Faithful, resilient, crazy her and Aaron were awesome to work with and she's a pretty remarkable person." "What a transformation, right? I mean, that's a pill right there, right? And the strength and backbone to see that, acknowledge it, and to step up to the plate to be responsible for it." "We paid, they agreed to give you up and they And they're demanding the hundred K again" Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Austin Holmes 10:33 The First Payment and Trust Issues 21:26 The Impact of the Bois-Colais Movement 23:33 Mary's Role and Discernment 27:37 Transformation and Taking Responsibility 34:57 Being Aggressive and Consistent in Negotiations 39:50 Reaching an Accord and the Live Exchange 48:59 Addressing the Ongoing Issues in Haiti 51:06 Artificial Intelligence and Automation 51:07 Privacy Concerns in the Digital Age