As part of the non-sponsored sporadic "B-sides" series*, Ben and Ben sit down and talk with Dr. Mak Saito, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.

Music: "Olympic Fog" and "Atlantis Snowfall" from The Abyss EP by Deep Six (available on all major streaming services and bandcamp).

(* this series is where we put guests we want to talk to but who do not fit within any sponsored series, but is still proteomics.... mostly.)