SummaryIn this conversation, Gabriel Hesch interviews Kyne Santos, an online creator who combines art, music, and performance in math education. They discuss the intersection of math and music, the controversy surrounding math and drag, and the creative side of math. They also explore topics such as topology, mathematical shapes, and influential books in math. The conversation highlights the importance of challenging traditional definitions and finding new and innovative ways to engage with math education.Takeaways Math and music have a strong connection, and math can be used to analyze, manipulate, and create music. Combining art and math education can make learning math more engaging and fun. Topology is a branch of mathematics that relaxes the rigid terms used in geometry and focuses on the similarities and differences between shapes. Mathematical discoveries can come from playing around and exploring different possibilities. Challenging traditional definitions and thinking creatively are important aspects of math education.Chapters00:00 Introduction: Best Song Ever Created02:03 Introduction of Guest: Kyne Santos03:00 Math and Drag: Combining Art and Math Education07:45 Addressing Controversy: Math and Drag08:15 Music and Math: The Intersection09:14 Mathematical Shapes: Mobius Strip10:10 Topology vs Geometry13:01 Holes and Topology15:14 Topology and Thought Experiments21:13 Aperiodic Monotiles: New Math Discovery23:02 New Shapes and Descriptive Rules25:26 Influential Books: The Quantum Story and Incomplete Nature27:01 Conclusion and Next Episode Preview