John is joined by Jen O’Malley Dillon—the legendary Democratic field organizer for Al Gore, Jon Edwards, and Barack Obama, manager of Joe Biden’s general-election campaign in 2020, and deputy chief of staff in his White House from 2021 to 2023—in her first extended, on-the-record interview since taking over as chair of his reelection effort. The two discuss next week’s debate, the state of the presidential race, Team Biden’s battleground-state strategy, and the nagging questions around the president’s age and fitness for office. Jen also addresses the anxieties of the myriad Nervous Nellies and pledges, “Joe Biden is going to win.”

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