Today, Hunter is joined by Chesa Boudin, the former District Attorney of San Francisco, to discuss his transition from public defender to prosecutor and the challenges he faced in trying to make systemic change. He shares examples of cases where he felt limited in his ability to create meaningful impact as a public defender, leading him to pursue a career in prosecution. Boudin also discusses the difficulties of implementing progressive policies within a prosecutor's office, including the resistance from the old guard and the limitations imposed by labor rules. They highlight how police departments and unions can undermine democracy at the local level and the challenges faced by progressive prosecutors. The discussion also touches on the difficulty of messaging and getting voters on board with criminal justice reform.   Guests: Chesa Boudin, Executive Director, Criminal Law and Justice Center, Berkley Law   Resources: Chesa’s Faculty Page https://www.law.berkeley.edu/our-faculty/faculty-profiles/chesa-boudin/ Follow Chesa on Twitter https://x.com/chesaboudin?lang=en Eric Salwell on Prosecutors https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/this-is-not-normal-swalwell-calls-out-soft-on-violent-crime-prosecutors-in-tweet/ Reports on Crime in California https://www.cjcj.org/reports-publications?page=4       Contact Hunter Parnell:                                             Publicdefenseless@gmail.com  Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter                                                                 @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com  Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast  Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN  *As a reminder, any statements made on the show do not reflect the views or policies of the Colorado Office of the State Public Defender*