Frank Gavin, the Giovanni Agnelli Distinguished Professor and inaugural director of the Henry A. Kissinger Center for Global Affairs at Johns Hopkins SAIS and contributor to War in Ukraine: Conflict, Strategy, and the Return of a Fractured World, joins the show to talk about nuclear strategy and the war in Ukraine.
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    •      01:36 Introduction 
    •      01:53 What are nuclear weapons for?
    •      04:15 Pervasive but not used
    •      09:53 Invasion insurance
    •      17:58 Better to be near-nuclear  
    •      22:26 How might Putin use nuclear weapons? 
    •      26:04 Learning by doing
    •      33:48 “It’s all happening at once”
    •      41:31 Rattling the saber works  
    •      48:04 “We will get them back”    
    •      50:07 History and Strategy
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