President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump will face each other in a presidential debate for the first time in the 2024 election cycle on Thursday night. They are virtually tied in the polls, with just over four months left until election day.A quarter of voters view both major party candidates unfavorably, according to a recent study by the Pew Research Center — that’s more than there have been in at least three decades. So is it possible to win people over on the debate stage? We wanted to hear from someone who knows what makes for a winning debate strategy so we called up David Cram Helwich. He’s the director of forensics at the University of Minnesota. He’s also director of a summer speech and debate camp for high school and middle school students, which is currently underway at Augsburg University. He joined MPR News host Cathy Wurzer from camp.