"The hardest part is just getting started, actually, because a lot of people say, well, yeah, I've got to make it perfect. I've got to do all these slides and presentations, curriculum, all this documentation. The best thing to do is just get started."This week, Grant sat down with Michael Patellis, the cofounder of Copecart, to talk about developing a course as a speaker.“A lot of people, they require that discipline of being able to follow a script and follow a syllabus of, okay, I have to do this thing this week, next week, etc. And then there's others that their courses are almost independent study. So a lot of it depends on the market segment that you're in and how detailed your course is and what the skill set is.”This week, Grant and Michael get into:00:00 Why should speakers consider courses as part of their business?05:19 How to think about ROI on your course?08:29 What kind of structure should you put for your course? 10:40 What do you recommend in terms of how your course is laid out? 16:00 How do people usually market a course?19:05 What other marketing opportunities are there?20:12 What kind of payout are creators looking at? 24:51 What leads to a successful course?Episode Resources: Connect with MichaelCheck out CopecartGet Free Speaker ResourcesBook a Call with The Speaker LabCalculate Your Speaking FeeJoin The Speaker Lab Community on FacebookSubscribe on Apple PodcastsSubscribe on SpotifySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.