You may know Andrew Gruel because he is a famous chef and restauranteur.  But he also took on California Governor Gavin Newsom during the Covid lockdowns, and you won’t believe the price he paid.  This wide ranging conversation covers everything from minimum wage to Presidential politics to the art of grilling.  But the stories of trying to survive in a declining California are cautionary tales everyone should hear.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.